Ted Bundy did the same, and few would claim he was sane Its far too simplistic to explain this as zealotry! Soon after his high school graduation, he joined the United States Army during the Second World War, where he worked as a laboratory technician. It especiallybothered him that his eldest, 16-year-oldPatricia, was interested in becoming an actress. On June 2, 1956 she was united in marriage to Ralph L. Miller at Gethsemane Lutheran Church. Thank you for relying on us to provide the journalism you can trust. WebHe later married Delores Miller Clark. He took a new wife, to whom he lied about his age and personal history. Colorado resident Wanda Flanery contactedpolice about a former neighbor named BobClark who had recently moved away to Richmond, Virginia. Sick minds only justify their inconsistent philosophy and thoughts because their logic is egocentric, and lacks logic ( logic as we normal people know it). Pictures of Breeze Knoll frighten me not only because John List murdered his family there in 1971 but also because, well, think of the electricbill. The years at All Packaging appear to have been tranquil. But even if it's all true, this is still not a man with a history of murder, but a man with a murder in his history. And that's the only time. Following the end of the war, he resumed his studies and enrolled into the University of Michigan, from where he completed his bachelors degree in business administration. Divorce would have meant paying child support for three and possibly alimony. ''He did everything by hand,'' the executive said. Sometimes, he added, Mr. Clark became so impassioned that sweat broke out on his brow. However, he was not ready to disclose his incompetency to his family yet and hence, he left the house every morning, sat on the railway station and read books and newspapers all day. His free time was spent with Delores Miller and volunteering at church. Afterwards, he dragged his wifes body to the ballroom and made himself lunch and ate it. . If you purchase a product or register for an account through one of the links on our site, we may receive compensation. In an interview, he stated that he did not kill himself because suicide prevents one from going to heaven. Spouse/Ex-: Delores Miller Clark (m. 19851989), Helen List (m. 19511971), children: Frederick List, John, Jr. Host John Walsh, whose own son had been a murder victim, asked viewers to call in tips. But he fled to Colorado, assumed a new name and remarried, managing to elude a nationwide manhunt for 18 years. Mr. Reed put Mr. Clark in touch with Charles S. Joyner, one of the two partners in the accounting firm of Maddrea, Joyner, Kirkham & Woody in Richmond. That was low. I dont think he was a psychopath. List finally was tripped up after nearly two decades in hiding because his new persona was made in his old image--that of a wimpy, bespectacled accountant whose life centered around the Lutheran Church. Eventually, he took a decently paying job with a paper company at Kalamazoo, Michigan, and settled there with his family. He married Helen and raised three children with her, while working as an accountant in many places, such as New York and New Jersey. Austin Goodrich, an ABCNEWS consultant who is writing a book with John List, contributed material for this report. He insinuated that it had been a bad experience.''. . Anyway, Was there any word on what happened to his family that he started after getting remarried? At the time of the murder, John was unemployed. Instead she showed the newspaper to Mrs. Clark. Mrs. Clark's job at a warehouse at the Fitzsimmons Army Medical Center did not pay enough to support the two of them, and they began to fall behind on their mortgage payments. Heleft the house everymorning,pretending to go to work when he was really whiling away time reading or sleeping in the train station. He settled in New Jersey and took a job at a local bank. The balding bookkeeper, arrested by FBI agents on June 1, claims to be Robert P. Clark, a former resident of Denver who moved to the Richmond area 18 months ago. If List thought he could just hit the delete button on the fam and waltz off *and* find redemption he may be bitterly disappointed when he finds his advocate was busy for his final court appearance and hes going to have to act as his own defense. The Star-Ledger reporter, who loved to chat about the infamous murderer with the locals on his Union County beat, was grabbing a sandwich for lunch when he got a tip of his own. But I feel when we get to heaven theyll either have forgiven me or wont realize what happened.. WebJohn List may refer to: John A. Then he apparently did some errands while waiting all day long for the children to come home. I took the paper next door and showed it to Delores. Then he went downstairs, dragged his wife's body into the ballroom and began scrubbing up the blood so the children would not realize what was going on when they got back from school. It rippled through the county and state: John List, the man who had meticulously murdered his mother, wife and three kids in their Westfield mansion and disappeared without a trace, was in custody. Photographs of Mr. But what gets her really excited? Little of this past did List, as Clark, ever reveal. He did not mention his wife, his mother, or his children. List are unquestionably the same man. God is perfect. He joined the Army in World War II and later attended the University of Michigan. '', ''He cried,'' the friend added. We don't know if some of them are still (Although largely irrelevant to this blog, I regard the US media as overwhelmingly anti-Trump, simply unable to acknowledge that he achieved anything positive, which he certainly, objectively, did. Bob didnt talk much about his past, Wetmore said. The couple had three children together, while Helens daughter Brenda left home in 1960 after her marriage. We all made a lot of assumptions, such as the fact that he didn't have any children, since his wife had been so sick. He became increasingly depressed. JOHN List the quiet New Jersey accountant who murdered his entire family in 1971, took on a new identity and a new family and went undetected for 18 years says the killing were merely his assignment for the day., In his first TV interview since the infamous murders, tonight on 20/20 Downtown, List tells Connie Chung: Eventually I got to the point where I felt that I could kill [his family], hopefully they would go to heaven, and then maybe I would have a chance to later confess my sins to God and get forgiveness.. That was not a lie. That was the last I heard from her before Bob was arrested.. And he yelled, 'Put that thing down before your eyeball falls out.' When they found him, John Jr. had been shot nine times.. The letter will be used as evidence if he goes to trial. The man who calls himself Robert P. Clark is charged with five counts of first-degree murder. Delores Clark, right, tells reporters at a press conference on June 8, 1989 that she did not believe her husband was John List. The program, one that Clark watched regularly and often recommended to neighbors, featured a plaster bust portraying List as he might look now. Rebecca Everett may be reached at reverett@njadvancemedia.com. Gary Morrison, a former chef at the motel, remembered Clark saying he had once been married but his wife had died of cancer. The pollalso determined that homeowners fail to contact their lender because they are embarrassed, dont believe the lender can help, and/or believe it would cause them to lose their home more quickly.. Delores Miller Clark (m. he met an Army PX clerk named Delores Miller and married her in 1985. Redefining eerie. If it werent for the mother and kids, Id feel a little sorry for him. meticulously murdered his mother, wife and three kids. R. C. Miller is not in business there, and there is no evidence it ever existed. WebDelores E. Clark Richmond, Virginia Oct 27, 1930 Jan 21, 2017 Plant Memorial Trees Not the right person? But pointing out that someone has had multiple bankruptcies is a statement of fact, not an insult. While List wouldnt meet the legal threshold for madness, he was unquestionably deeply disturbed: mass murder as well as a later life of lies and deceit. I once asked Bob how he happened to choose us, and he said it was because we were on the bus line, West recalled. Use of and/or registration on any portion of this site constitutes acceptance of our User Agreement, Privacy Policy and Cookie Statement, and Your Privacy Choices and Rights (each updated 1/26/2023). Until next week, cheers. Four months later, his wife joined him in Midlothian, a suburb southwest of Richmond. Flanery recalls asking Delores Clark then if she thought her husband might be John List. That was the only time I ever saw Bob show any anger.. Another way of characterising them might be to state that he was sick of his mad wife (who some sources say was a public embarrassment to him by getting publicaly drunk and remarking on his lack of sexual prowess, etc), was indifferent to the children, had embezzled the mothers money and needed to off her, was losing the house, and had no job. '', See the article in its original context from. His story was made into a hit TV movie starring Robert Blake and was the basis for the movie thriller The Stepfather.. Superior Court Judge William LE. We found his mother up in her third-floor apartment. She was preceded in death by her husband, Raymond; sons, Larry, Jim granddaughter, Gayle Ballow; siblings, Joyce Clark & Mildred Miller. and I shot her in the head just like the others, he says. Flanery received two letters from Delores Clark after she moved away. Spooky landmark. Internet research turned up a number of statistics that surely would have providedList with some consolation if he faced his sameproblems post-2000. This is a digitized version of an article from The Timess print archive, before the start of online publication in 1996. I am devoted to him.''. WebView the profiles of people named Delores Clark. Keep the politics out of it, dude. It was my belief that if you kill yourself, you wont go to heaven, List says. By 1971, he was still leaving for work every morning, but unknown to his family he was unemployed and unable to pay the bills. His anxiety grew with his inability to keep up withmortgage payments and other bills. Northwestern UniversitysInstitute for Policy Researchfound that during the subprime-mortgage-induced Great Recession,8 million Americans lost their jobs and each year lenders foreclosed on4million homes. Her friend mentioned recurring financial problems and said she might have made a mistake leaving Denver. By all accounts his wife was a good mother and all the children were doing just fine and on a good trajectory. John had a very normal childhood and he did not show any signs of psychological troubles. Following his high school graduation, he enlisted into the American military and worked as a lab technician. Breaths will not be held, I say *largely* irrelevant because Republican and Democrat, conservative and liberal are more than tangential to some of the issues of justice that were interested in here. He murdered his mother, wife and three children in November 1971, due to financial distress and other issues within the family, and fled. List, who says he remains deeply religious today, acknowledges that his crimes violated one of the Ten Commandments: "Thou shalt not kill.". . Why hadnt he just killed himself, Chung asks? Ill keep searching! She never showed the photo to Mr. Clark. His picture was also shown on television, which led one of his neighbours to notify the authorities. The pastor, the Rev. Mr. Clark took with him no furniture or personal possessions other than boxes of tax materials, a neighbor said. As I was doing it I knew it was wrong," he said. He was arrested 11 days later, and, after a jury rejected his diminished capacity defense, convicted and sentenced. He says he wanted to spare them the shame of losing their New Jersey mansion and to make sure they got to heaven. Your email address will not be published. In my 75 years of life, every overly religious person I have met, with a few exceptions, eventually show that they betray those around them in some form. After raising her children she was Listlowered the temperature in the house, cued up some organmusic on the intercom system, and told his kids teachers that the family had gone on a trip to North Carolina. For all I knew, Delores was in danger. Mr. Clark started doing work on the side for H & R Block. I said, Thats Bob, Flanery recalled. I told my son-in-law to call the FBI and give them Bob and Delores address in Virginia.. I thought I was being real clever," he said. In a three-sentence statement to the court, he said he was sorry for "the tragedy that happened in 1971." Unlike the others, John didn't go quietly, his body jerking as List emptied both the 9 millimeter and the .22 into his son. He told Steve Reed, a vice president of the agency, Richmond Placements Inc., that he wanted to live and work in a more vibrant economy. TimesMachine is an exclusive benefit for home delivery and digital subscribers. The bodies of Lists 85-year-old mother, Alma, his wife, Helen, 45, and their children, Patricia, 16, John Jr., 15, and Frederick, 13, were not discovered until the evening of Dec. 7, 1971. List would also be 63 years old now. ''She didn't want to talk,'' Mrs. Stefano said of Mrs. Clark. Mr. Joyner said Mr. Clark did not contend he had an advanced degree or a C.P.A. Your email address will not be published. He dyed his hair and changed his name to establish new credit accounts and a phony Social Security number. Delores never told me about Bob, said Wanda Flanery, Millers neighbor in Denver. Mr. Clark gave his age as 57. They had been laid out in a neat row, head to toe, Moran said. ''That's all there was to it. Work Mr. Clark switched to a restaurant in a Denver department store, and, Mr. Wetmore said, he mentioned taking a course at H & R Block and doing a little tax work to make extra money. Mr. Clark kept nothing personal in his office. Authorities said that he had been living a quiet life--active in his church, puttering in his yard on weekends--and that he had no problems with the law while a List might look now. Records from All Packaging indicate that he married Miss Miller a few months before leaving the company, in November 1985. This disambiguation page lists articles about people with the same name. ''There were just some certificates hanging on the wall from a staff accountant we used to have, but who is now deceased,'' Mr. Joyner said. John List (murderer) (19252008), American mass murderer. Mr. Its first entry is R. C. Miller, a business he said was in Wheatridge, Colo., a suburb north of Denver. The neighbor had been suspicious about Mr. Clark for two years, after seeing a report on the List case in a supermarket tabloid. Of course, what List stated were his reasons/motives for the murders and what they really were (whether he was aware or not) could be different. On April 4, 1986, Mr. Clark was laid off and, Mr. Bassler said, ''We were sorry to see him go. He took the name Robert Clark, eventually got an accounting job, and remarried. What a sorry attempt at humor using President Trump at the end. ''If he goes into a McDonald's for a hamburger, the man is going to bow his head and say grace to his God,'' the friend said. He wanted OUT. The man called at the insistence of his mother-in-law, who was a friend of Mr. Clark's wife, Delores, and had kept in touch with the Clarks after their move to Virginia. He also found and read a rambling, five-page confession List had written to his pastor in Westfield. A few months earlier, the couple had moved in together, staying in Miss Miller's two-bedroom apartment at the Somerset Village condominiums in nearby Montbello. Mass Murderer, Overextended Homeowner Still, Mr. Roberto said, he ''kind of liked him'' and, for some reason, felt sorry for him. That he didnt just walk out, never to return was were his psychopathy entered. He has also appeared on television shows such as Your Worst Nightmare and American Justice. ''I have been depressed over all this,'' Mrs. Clark wrote. And like Judas I gave her a kiss . "I don't know whether it was only because he was still jerking that I wanted to make sure that he didn't suffer, or that it was sort of a way of relieving tension, after having completed what I felt was my assignment for the day," List said. John List was an American mass murderer, who became infamous in the 1970s for killing his mother, wife and three children. Setting Up From Cooking Back to Accounting. Authorities later revealed that John kept lying to his family about his jobs. Meanwhile, back at Breeze Knoll, investigators found the bodies after neighbors summoned police because they hadnt seen anyone enter or leave the house in a month. Any murderer is a hero to people like the writer of this post. Getting his hands on all of his mothers money was part of the escape plan. A person who called a telephone number printed on the screen was a son-in-law of a neighbor of Mr. Clark when he lived in Colorado. Jim Clark, 76, of Cedar Hill, passed from this life on Thursday February 23, 2023, at TriStar NorthCrest Medical Center. He stayed around the house, and ''Delores told me a couple of times that if Bob didn't go out and get a job, she'd go crazy or leave him,'' Mrs. Flanery recounted. See All About BORN October 27, 1930 DIED January 21, 2017 From New York, he had traveled overland to Denver, where he began a new life under the name Robert P. Clark, working first as a hotel fry cook and later as an accountant for H&R Block. In late 1987 Mr. Clark responded to an advertisment placed in a local newspaper by a Virginia empoyment agency. Why are we still having these debates? On Oct. 4, 1979, Mr. Clark was hired as the comptroller of the All Packaging Company in Aurora, a suburb southeast of Denver, at a starting salary of $300 a week. I remember that I was amazed at the amount of blood that flowed out of her, List says. But their love story came to an end within 14 months. Bob didnt have a car at the time so I helped him move out of the trailer park into an apartment a few blocks east of the motel, he said. He later pursued a masters degree in accounting from the same university and as the Korean War had escalated in 1950, he was recalled by the Army and was commissioned as a second lieutenant, stationed at Fort Eustis in Virginia, where he met his wife Helen. As always, a great & engaging read. He simply killed them to eliminate the problem and his own stress. The good news is, they *are* all in Heaven no doubt. Authorities said two of the tips--one from Richmond, Va., another from Denver--led them to a mild-mannered accountant in Midlothian, Va. He was also, the friend added, ''a man who obeyed the speed limit.''. Lists subsequent FBI arrest at his accounting office made for scintillatingnews around the globe and electrifiedAmericas Most Wantedratings. It is still unclear where or how Mr. Clark spent 1972. He died in prison as a result of pneumonia. Wearing signature pigtails she opened the show, singing "Age of He thought it improper in the eyes of God. Yes, at the age 85 Clark is still performing all her hits, touring the U.S., and releasing a new album. Bob West, said Clark became a pillar of the church during the 11 years he attended. The Downturn Laid Off and Late With the Mortgage, Gradually, Mr. Clark became less and less of an asset to All Packaging. On their cul-de-sac, the Clarks were described as pleasant but distant. Delores is survived WebHe began living with a new identity in Virginia, where he was spotted by a local and got arrested. The investigation also revealed that List for years had been siphoning money from his mothers $200,000 savings account. List then killed his kids one by one as they returned home from school. Lists five-pageletter, addressed to hispastor, explained everything, including the way he murdered his family. ''He didn't even like football, because, he said, it was just men out there battering their heads together, instead of using their brains.'' For example, he would generally eat his lunch in his orange Volkswagen in the parking lot, with its windows rolled up and classical music playing on the radio. Mrs. Flanery did not call the police, however. Education. It was one day out of all these many many years.'' Mr. Reed declined to specify which companies were called. His wifes salary as a clerk at the Fitzsimmons Army Medical Center was not enough to support them and they began to slip behind in their monthly payments. ''Delores said it wasn't Bob,'' Mrs. Flanery recalled. Reporters Rebecca Everett and Jessica Remo explore the impact of the capture, meeting people in Virginia who saw List unmasked and tracking down Lists second wife one side of the infamous story thats never been told. Attorney David Baugh, who represented List in Virginia, offers support.AP Photo/Steve Helber. Shes not a strong person and I dont think she felt she could have faced the truth, so she just let it lie.. In 1989, America's Most Wanted featured List and a forensic sculptor's impression of how he would look then, 18 years after the murders. Although a model employee in most ways, ''he just couldn't implement the computer mode that we needed.''. 24/7 coverage of breaking news and live events. Tonights interview marks Chungs last appearance for ABC before she heads for CNN. List worked in Detroit and Kalamazoo, Mich., before rejoining the Army during the Korean War. Trivia. Several weeks later, in his rambling 19-room Victorian mansion in Westfield, N.J., the police found the bodies of his mother, his wife and his three children. He was behind by $11,000on the houseand had been secretly dipping into his mothers accounts. He had told her he had no children. John List was on the run when they met in 1985 after having murdered his family members about 14 years before. List later worked in Rochester, N.Y., and Jersey City, N.J., before taking his family to Westfield in 1955. At a recent news conference, she described him as a good husband with a deep and abiding faith in God. Anyway, theres no rationalising the psychopathic mind which is why the bail-out stuff that RR mentions probably wouldnt have made a jot of difference to him or the situation. On Nov. 23, 1971, List snapped creeping up behind his wife, Helen, as she was reading at the kitchen table and shooting her in the head. P.S. A deeply tragic case. I didnt meet him until he moved in.. He says today he felt he was letting the family down. The Lindbergh Kidnapping: Forensic Files Lost Episode, Dawn Fehring: A Missionary Dies Too Young, Ron Gillette: An Air Force Man Who Didnt Exactly Aim High. After finding an old 9 mm pistol he had bought as a souvenir of World War II, and a .22-caliber target pistol, he purchased new ammunition and went to a shooting range for target practice. She said she really didnt want to leave Denver, but Bob had been out of work since shortly after they were married and he had finally found this job in Virginia.. There were more problems. I have to say though the wife had it coming for duping him and belittling him throughout the marriage. Morrison said that by 1977, Clark had begun to find work as an accountant, List's occupation before he disappeared. Prosaic Life of Suspect in '71 New Jersey Murders, https://www.nytimes.com/1989/06/09/nyregion/prosaic-life-of-suspect-in-71-new-jersey-murders.html. I believe it was 1895 or possibly 96. He chose not tocommit suicide because he considered it a sin. Marion Delores Clark Miller was born to Paul and Ada(Tuttle)Clark on September 25, 1937 in Moody County, South Dakota, where she was raised on several The company makes folding boxes for supermarkets. Even from his jail cell in Virginia, where he is accused of being the fugitive John Emil List and awaits extradition to New Jersey to face charges that he murdered five members of his family in 1971, he has neither protested his innocence nor confessed his guilt. He later took a job as the vice president at a bank in New Jersey, where the family finally got settled. Join Facebook to connect with Delores Clark and others you may know. Jim Clark Bro. ''He said it was all just terrible.''. "I was perspiring like anything," he remembers, but said his wife did not seem to have recognized him. First, a recap of theForensic Filesepisode The List Murders with some additional research from the internet. Does Flanery have any regrets about turning in Clark? Info about the house is hard to come by. Bob was in the kitchen, working as a fry cook, Wetmore recalled. It took Johns fingerprints to match with the military records to convince the authorities that he was John List. 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