Its not like an AR-15 where you can manually set the bolt open without the magazine if that is what you are referring too. Ergonomics: * ** * I recommend the reviewer READS the owners manual first before in touches any gun. I keep my nose clean when 922R is concerned. Its pretty reasonable to expect a new gun to work (feed, fire, eject) as it comes out of the box. And to Nick: feelings shouldnt really affect things. For the most part all semi auto shotguns have their own quirks. The gun will fire, cycle, eject, and feed a new round, but the trigger reset for the second round doesnt seem to be happening. 1200fps and up have had much more success than lighter loads and "low recoil" stuff. The SF short mags are prolly the best buy for power and other uses, but the max barrier penetration loads have more ass. Message boards are awesome resources of knowledge. Trap and skeet shooting? the gas piston threaded into the bolt carrier has a little play in it side to side where it actually threads into the bolt carrier. That and my EAA Match 10mm. The dust cover is hinged to the shotgun, allowing the user to open and close the cover without losing the zeroing of a mounted optic. I own Vepr-12 shotgun and the it has a last round bolt open feature. Home defense, war, Armageddon is what its designed for. So I start Googling Vepr 12 , Vepr 12 problems and I come across www.Vepr.org message board. Classic Firearms just put these on sale for $799/shipped. Thats like complaining that your 22lr wont cycle 22short. Considering unconverted Saigas go for thatits a great deal. I managed to take it apart and deburr all of them. I believe completely that there is room for personal opinion on a reviewbut no reason whatsoever to leave out/ get WRONG tec.data. I charged the gun with a factory 5-round magazine and fired away. I guess I'm different in that I never look for a "end-all-be-all" firearm be it hand/long. It has a collapsible Colt M4-style Magpul sliding stock. Well, it didn;t work that way for me. Your piston rod play room looks fine, but I would call and verify with the importer (or pm papazorro or evlblkwpnz or tac47) and send him a link of your video as well. I can't even say that about my Remington 1187P (perhaps the R12 will correct this..?). An unusual feature among firearms in the Kalashnikov family, the Vepr-12 sports a last round bolt hold-open mechanism. Do they use the metric designations for shotguns calibers as well as regular cartridges? 31 0 0. I work from a home office in my basement. Herters #00 Buckshot Crafted with high-quality components, this versatile buckshot is suitable for personal and home defense. ive had nothing but issues feeding cheap rounds.FTE almost every single time. Bring the price down around $800 and well talk. As a practical matter, 922r compliance is something the feds care a lot about IF you are a large scale manufacturer, but not if you are the end user. To my dismay, she would only cycle high brass, buckshot, and slug rounds. Not sure about VEPR shotguns, but their AK-47 https://gritrsports.com/shooting/firearms/rifles/ak-47-rifles/ are top notch! http://www.atlanticfirearms.com/component/virtuemart/shipping-rifles/vepr-12-gauge-shotgun-pre-order-detail.html?Itemid=0, http://www.classicfirearms.com/long-guns/vepr12gashotgun-1. For that reason, why would they go to the trouble of polishing and beautifully machining their internals when they don't need to. ak-74-for-sale No, I just tried and the hammer resets even if I pull the charging handle back less than would be required for a shell ejection, which it is. The stamped steel receiver is reinforced, thicker (1.5mm instead of 1mm), and more heavily constructed than a standard Kalashnikov-pattern rifle. Pretty much a must have. Urban warfare. After receiving the gun, I put a new Chaos quad rail on, got a CSS muzzle brake, new Hogue grip, Mako GL-SHOCK stock, Molot factory AR buffer tube hinge adaptor and magazine release button extension. With the VEPR 12, I said what the heck. Thats no different than saying I tested a Delton AR15 that jammed so this Daniel Defense AR15 is an inferior weapon to a Winchester 70.. Shooting slugs from this shotgun was an absolute breezeI was actually able to double tap quite frequently. mags. funny that the shotgun is marketed as the premier 3-gun shotty. I considered giving it to a friend for safekeeping but everyone knows how that goes. With the cheek pad in place I couldnt get a good sight picture, and with it removed I couldnt get any kind of cheek or even chin weld on the stock. The "flexing" and binding of the captured OEM assemblies can rob your system of the efficiency needed to cycle the gun properly. Getting to know her working her in with stroke after stroke after stroke makes for a better relationship. Purpose [ edit] After a detailed search ive found this option from Israeli company Fab-Defence: http://www.idf-tactical.com/Buttstocks/ShotgunsStocks/M4-VEPR-FKSB. I havent run birdshot through it yet so I cant comment on function with low brass loads. I think my next plan of action will be to polish the bolt carrier rails and see if that garners any results.other than that imma just run the hell out of some heavy loads. is this normal? so im not sure if this is an actual problem or not as this (v12) is my first ak platform weapon of any kind. Got myself a great rifle for less than 1 gran on top of few boxes of ammo! One thing I noticed that was left out of the review that is worth mentioning. A lot of TTAGs overall star ratings mention that theyre comparing the gun to similar guns in a similar price range. I recommend factory springs. Watch the video and notice how the bolt carrier bounces off the receiver when it slams home. Im not worried about needing more than 6 rounds of 12 gauge for home defense. Early American export models have no muzzle brake and have a fixed stock rather than a folding stock. I slicked up the feeding ramp on my first one But in hind sight that was just lazy. If so ensure you replaced everything properly. Considering that standard OOB over penetrates at 1325 FPS for HD purposes, and has a ratty pattern, 1600 FPS would seem a move in the wrong direction. Off topic Dres, bit i looked at the list you posted and had a proud "Team America, Fuck Yeah" moment. You can adjust, but shooting at different distances will be an issue. Do as Gunfun suggested and get some 3 Dram or higher. In comparison to what it would take to get a Saiga 12 to the Vepr 12 level of quality, $1200 was still a great deal. If youre thinking about home defense, thats probably the best application I could think of for the gun. To facilitate rapid reloading of the shotgun, a bolt release lever is located inside the trigger guard, allowing the user to release the bolt without breaking grip.[2]. people get all fussed about it and do things like add recoil buffers or extra strength recoil springs, and then scratch their heads at the occasional short-stroke or double. Finally, if stuff happened and it was confiscated, Id just buy anotherno drama. I just dont get that feeling of reliability like I do with the others. it does not, though I suppose you could attach one to the rail section under the gas/sight block. Trench clearing. We take the VEPR 12 Shotgun out for a spin on the range. Go grab some decent buckshot and slugs and run about 20 or so through the gun to make sure it is broken in. About 5 min with a dremmel and you can add a little more value to your gun, of course you should always .make the gun 922r compliant first. Its pretty much always the same malfunction. But Im not volunteering to be the test case. Like all firearms with the Vepr designation, the Vepr-12 receiver is patterned after that of the RPK light machine gun. Would be a nightmare to develop. The dust cover is hinged to the shotgun, allowing the user to open and close the cover without losing the zeroing of a mounted optic. similar to taking down Al Capone for tax evasion). and yes they first need judge order or arrest u, there arrest found not sound leave them open to law sute So,wouldnt it be embarassing to be the 1st person to be done in by it? But still, there are problems. Clear editor. Buy New pre ban Molot Vepr-12 10rd magazine 10 round 12-guage mag Russian Ten : GunBroker is the largest seller of AK47 Parts Gun Parts All: 972965496. I got some great help from 505Fire from Vepr.org. Well, first I was thinking it was the bcg but after fiddling with it, the trigger and hammer are resetting. Resolving feeding and ejecting problems of Molot Vepr 12 and Saiga 12 shotguns. I used my dremel with a carbide cutter (dremel bit #9910). Even then some just do not like light loads. Upload or insert images from URL. . You left out a very important feature of the bolt-release button on the VEPR-12, which acts like the bolt release on an AR-15. So unless the river is running around with bolt locked back which is stupid, thats the only time the tab could be an issue. While I understand the concept, thats not exactly the truth about the gun. Im not a big fan of thin pieces of metal jutting out off a firearm, especially near my hand, and especially when Im going to fire slugs through it. I swapped the furniture on my VEPR 12 (slant cut, thumbhole stock) and ever since then I've had some issues with trigger reset. And it accepts 10 rd drums At the same height as a 5-rd stick magazine. http://thetruthaboutguns.com/author/foghorn/, Gun Review: Taurus GX4XL T.O.R.O. Just because youre paranoid doesnt mean that people ARENT watching! The Only Time the tab is visible is when the bolt is locked back. Some have guns that will run 3 dr Eq without work, but most end up just buying 3 1/4 dr stuff. Instead, the piston is accessed in a manner familiar to users of traditional Kalashnikov rifles, by removal of the gas tube. Notify me of follow-up comments by email. Break it in a bit. The more stable the shooter, the more reliable your shotgun will run. The Winchester would not cycle the shotgun at all. Yet it never fails. Chamber: 3" / 76 mm. Ill try to post some pics after work. The Vepr-12 lacks the standard AK side mounting rail, instead using a Picatinny rail incorporated into the dust cover for optic mounting. I dont get the part about magazines and home defense. Guess ill just keep running hot loads through it (which is never something to complain about lol) in hopes that i can one day dump a full 10 round mag without a FTE OR it costing me $1 per trigger pull lol. It actually works and is much easier to use. Top competitors compete with what their sponsors tell them to so they serve as walking advertisements. I will be doing a conversion on it in the future so for now I will stick with the 5 round mags until it meets 922R. Man, does that look awkward and ungainly. Guilty!!! Make sure to subscribe to our channel for more!\r\rFacebook: https://www.facebook.com/mistergunsdotcom\r\rInstagram: https://www.instagram.com/mistergunsdotcom\r\rWebsite: https://misterguns.com/ Wanted to obtain a collapsible The sights are nice, and the full length rail along the top is a very nice touch, but it would be more useful if the stock wouldnt get in the way so much. Also, like the IZ-433, the gas block lacks a screw in gas adjuster. reloads are quicker, movement is much more fluid, and the manual of arms is much more similar to the AR-15 rifle. In the buttstock there is shock-absorbing system and T6 hard anodized aluminum buffer tube. I rapid fired, as well as took my time between shots. In the meantime Im giving it one more star than I gave the Saiga-12. Clear editor. Or how would i go. A stock AR15 generally works and could be used to compete in 3 gun though not optimally. The CD, Superformance, and Zombie loads are all the same shit with different hulls. Thus, the trigger group is exactly where it should be. If you can get a few pictures I can at least compare with my Vepr 12. The dreaded AK-47 *assault* shotgun, thankyouverymuch. Ive seen them at atlantic firearms and classic firearms for $999. Then of course the possibility of violating firearms laws in a different state. See if the follower moves smoothly all the way down. If you don't give a it good back stop, you can cause the FTE's. I also found another guy in Texas who ran a business with similar services although after trying to get in touch with him, it appears that he is currently experiencing medical issues and could not help me. Much like its cousin the Saiga-12, the Vepr-12 is ideal for clay shooting, with appropriate optics. I was still having some issues with the low brass ammo. The VEPR-12 is definitely an improvement over the Saiga-12, but as far as I can tell it's still a solution looking for a problem. Showing up without them; likely. I had TWO 930 SPXs and BOTH choked on everything I fed them. I have an additional 5rd factory magazine I could take to the range next time to see if both of the magazines I tried today are faulty. COPYRIGHT 2021, THETRUTHABOUTGUNS.COM. Sometimes price is included in the ratings, and usually it is in the discussion. (I know that it probably would not cause this issue, but it's something easy to check). yep, just about all AKs have some contact of the rear trunnion with the carrier. He posted these pictures and made youtube videos. While I get the point the 922r Law is stupid, stay safe and dont give them anything to hang you with. One of them was a little bit shitted up. I don't have a factory 8-round VEPR-12 Molot mag to compare the exact weight difference between them, but the csspecs mag feels- to me- like an AK "should". If not them some other fix may be necessary. I have also posted the same message over at vepr.org as some folks may not know about you guys here at saiga-12.com. I never beat my dogs downstairs though and it is over so fast I dont get time to even fire one round. Winchester Military Grade Buckshot. Theres a full length rail along the top of the receiver for your optics and other gubbins. I dont believe the 2nd is about home defense. Let alone write a review without reading the freaking owners manual? Stay away from bird shot, and low FPS loads. springfield-hellcat-for-sale but we are fanboys with no concept of purpose or usefulness. Toggle navigation. The first thing I noticed was that the action cycled incredibly smoothly.I'm talking way more smoothly than what I remembered before sending it off. Special thanks to evlblkwpnz and 505Firefor their help. Yet I do not like the embargoes pertaining to Russia or China as it really only adversely effects respective citizens in both countries as well as the U.S..Now, transferring high-tech military type technology I get. I find the Vepr 12 section and start a new thread. I took a look at my Vepr 12 and I cannot see any differences between yours and mine. Good tip menace! Upgrade for the factory VEPR-12 and SAIGA-12 recoil assemblies. The height over bore with a VEPR-12 or Saiga makes a bead not work well. Their new loads are badass. With its fixed open port gas system, the Vepr-12 can effectively cycle a multitude of 12-gauge loads, making it a highly versatile semi-automatic shotgun. The VPO-206 series is chambered for 12 Gauge [18.5x70mmR] shells. Very easy to do. Double shame for being a shill. Helps increase efficiency and thus improves reliability. Molot VEPRSHOTGUN. The most I was able to get all day were 4 rounds through it without a malfunction. This review almost had me until two things happened. In doing so, we learn a lot about how the VEPR 12 feeds and ejects different types of ammo. I think you mean (4+4+4+4)/4. Plus, the ones at my WalMart are 1315fps. Dyspeptic Gunsmith can probably answer this better and more eloquently than I can. http://sinistralrifleman.com/2012/02/01/the-saiga-12-saga/, Im not gonna get into the whole bias argument.I would just like to point out that only AFTER reading the entire review, and well into the comments section did I see someone correct you on the fact there IS a manual bolt hold open on this particular weapon. Ergonomics Firing: * * * * This is the best shotgun for the money, a lot easier to reload than filling a tube magazine. I fire the magnum slugs, I dont see how the safety is a problem, no sharp metal jutting out. Everybody who I have personally seen that had an s12 that ftfd didnt set the regulator correctly. There are dimpled impressions in either side of the threads on the end of the bolt carrier where the gas piston screws in that prevent it from being tightened which leads me to believe its supposed to be that way but for there to be ANY wiggle in such a sophisticated gas system seems a little odd to me. Model: VEPR 12 Short-Barreled Shotgun (SBS) Action: Magazine-fed, semi-automatic Caliber: 12 gauge, 3" chamber Length: 34" Barrel length: 12" Weight: 9.3 lbs Capacity: 5 or 8 (Standard) and higher (extended) MSRP: $1,699 ( The other variants carry a MSRP of $1,199) VEPR 12 Shotgun ak-74-for-sale It kicks like a freaking mule on steroids, but certainly does what it is supposed to. But it was a fun range gun. there are a ton of gun videos there. The empty hull gets stuck halfway being pulled out, stovepipes basically. After surfing the net and reading through this very forum, I discovered that many other people were having the same exact problem. I get that the Russians suck and always will pertaining to their foreign policy as well as their Red Brethren China. If something goes bump in the night just grab it and rack the slide. A side folding stock is present on most models; however, Vepr-12 shotguns are offered with fixed stocks as well. Rating - 100%. A place for responsible gun owners and enthusiasts to talk about guns without the politics. (They are too bulky to be practical but lots of fun otherwise). Due to the large difference in size between the 7.6239mm cartridge and 12-gauge shells, the extractor port has been lengthened, allowing the shotgun to eject spent shells without risk of causing a stovepipe malfunction. The factory recoil assembly can be the reason for (FTE)Failure to Eject problems. What would happen is the quality would degrade. got question how many atf going strp down one these just see ifi it complinant. Post break in, its one of my favorite handguns. youtube should be fine. The VEPR-12 is definitely an improvement over the Saiga-12, but as far as I can tell its still a solution looking for a problem. Your previous content has been restored. Some of the first advice I got was to take out the bolt carrier, clean the factory grease and relube. Cost the same as a base model AR or AK does. I'm thinking that I may have bent the gas tube a bit replacing the guard on that, but it looks within spec and I've been fiddling with it to make sure there isnt an out of spec gap. Display as a link instead, You need to insert and empty magazine and then rack the action back, which is an extra step for something so crucial. We test the VEPR-12 a few different ways to see how this monster feeds. All you need to do is remove the walnut stock. Your link has been automatically embedded. ! The biggest magazines Ive seen fro the VEPR-12 are 12 round magazines, and those require compliance with that pesky Federal statute 922(r) before using them in your gun. Where is the best place to buy the vepr12. One thing no one has mentioned, as this is your first AK variant. Believe it or not, many more pumps than autos. With the array of ammo, loads, shot type, etc, making one that runs everything is near impossible. Unlike the IZ-109 manually adjustable gas regulator system used on the Saiga-12, the gas system on the Vepr-12 is a clone of the IZ-433 unregulated fixed open port tappet system, allowing the Vepr-12 to cycle most commercially available 12-gauge loads, from 3.25 dram equivalent and up, without risking damage to the shotgun and without requiring any manual adjustment by the user. For full power buckshot loads it runs flawlessly. July 25, 2013 in Vepr-12, so im not sure if this is an actual problem or not as this (v12) is my first ak platform weapon of any kind. Designation, the Vepr-12, which acts like the bolt is locked back need to I know that probably. 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