You guys sound more like a Witch Hunt than Christians bad example for Christianity. l suppose you believe judging others is wrong correct? Believe it or not, I used to believe very similar to youthat as a woman I had no power to influence other men, that I was to simply shut up and do as I am told by the men around me, etc. As followers of Jesus in whom all things were made, we acknowledge the Darug people as the Traditional Custodians of the Country where our Station is located. Your pastor is correct, your self worth, your weight and you fiscal condition has nothing to do with the saving Gospels, a good gym with good instructors, a good financial planner will do the same, the issue is whether Cain and Meyer handle scripture correctly, they dont, they have also gone beyond the mandate of the qualifications to be a teacher. Gods job is to do the miracles, our job is to believe. Stay blessed. He healed my body. Get them into the boat. 17 And if he shall neglect to hear them, tell it unto the church: but if he neglect to hear the church, let him be unto thee as an heathen man and a publican.. Theres no room for compromising. I need to follow the scripture, which means to start off with lovingly going to them one-on-one, then taking a witness, and then taking it before the church. Im watching people deconstruct their faith, prominent leaders renouncing Jesus. It's the will to persevere even in the face of fear. To pray for Gods blessing on such a false teacher is expressly forbidden, and to do so is to ask God to bless apostasy and heresy. The dont judge paradigm doesnt apply when someone calls themselves Christian, usurps Gods word, and wants to play pastor. Im helping girls in the A21 transition homes who have been brutally abused and raped and are so shame-filled, helping them find their identity in Christ and stand on their own two feet, she told Hope 103.2, [but] Ive seen some of those same shame struggles in some of the most successful women, that battle with the shame of trying to balance life, thinking Im at the office too much and Im not the mother or wife I could be or girls that are in their mid 30s or 40s and are single and struggling with shame over that. Think of it as Christ did when he fed the five thousand. Paul is adamant that no change can be introduced into the apostolic gospel. In (Luke 11:35) (skopeo) is translated take heed.. The shame and guilt of childhood sexual abuse hasn't stopped Christine Caine from sharing the love of Jesus with people across the world. We are to rebuke openly false teaching. You are talking about them behind their backs. We can even look to the ways that Christ and the apostle Paul corrected and confronted false teachers, and your method STILL does not hold. I needed to see this. Thanks! I just remember holding that toilet brush and doing it as unto God with a passion. My friend Alan Hirsch says: We have to read Jesus meaning just come back to that central place. I really hope no one reads this and takes it seriously. If they persist despite the warnings and either dont have a husband to oversee them, have no proper oversight from a husband who has abdicated his duty, or who just are or are married to a discernment klutz, then various scriptures say either to admonish them strongly a third time and/or to break fellowship. I was also surprised, because I never shared my faith with him (after all, Im a woman, and we know believers like you wouldve burned me at the stake for sharing my faith with a man). But we are supposed to believe be brave enough to call it to their faces? You can disagree with me, but I encourage you to remain teachable to whoever God puts in your pathit can be amazing what He can teach you through the most unlikely of sources. Before she knew it, she was struggling. Thank you, Amy, for cleaning up that mess. If u cant speak life. The way the currents have shifted in society, no matter who you are whether you have a blue check mark [on your social media] like me, or whether youve got five followers is irrelevant. Jakes accept an invite to speak in a room with some reformed guys in 2012 to discuss his belief in the oneness dcotrine of the church to which he categorically spoke of his background in that momvement and how since then he has moved away from that doctrine toa trinitarian doctrine, he was asked every question of the beliefs of the Chrsitain faith and affirmed them all. This explains what is happening today as The Lords return grows closer: 2Preach the word; be prepared in season and out of season; reprove, rebuke, and encourage with every form of patient instruction. I thank God for all of the women who followed the call of God and took up their crosses, facing so much opposition in the process. 2:11, 14). And if I could get to a place where Im thinking: How did I get here? theres got to be a lot of other people going, How did I get here? You walked in the shame of it, and you buried it. You have something against the Passion Conference too..Wowww! springs without water, and mists driven by a storm, for whom the black darkness has been reserved (2 Pet. Focus on the Lord and get in the word. And is that true? Jakes' denial of the Trinity, to Christine Caine's Word of Faith heresy, to Lysa TerKeurst's teaching of contemplative prayer. Christine Caine engages in New Age practices condemned in the Bible, Christine Caineusurps male authority and rebels against the clear word of the Bible, enjoys teaching young women to step into leadership roles that scripture forbids. And thank you for giving us a forum in which to teach the Scriptures and have healthy debate.. (?) 14 For if you remain completely silent at this time, relief and deliverance will arise for the Jews from another place, but you and your fathers house will perish. Warn them, lovingly. For all others, we must be clear about our rejection of their dangerous teaching. You seem to be very confident that your approach is Biblical, and in the end, that is what really matters. Wow. Nothing loving here as far as i can see. Nevertheless, even pastors in non-congregational churches must still rely upon the congregations cooperation for excommunication to work. THIS is why the church has a tough time bringing in the lost. How can anyone hear the voice of the Holy Spirit with all these self proclaimed wise know it alls. The baskets kept filling up no matter how much food they distributed. Your value can only come from Jesus. I pray against the pride that is here. Word of Faith is what Gods Word is!! Apology appreciated. Thales. We are all called to preach the gospel to others not only men! talks faith in Jesus, the problem with Black Lives Matter, being a victim of 'cancel culture', New Yorker satire headline mocks those who 'search the Bible' for Gods views, Barry Black: America's first black Senate chaplain says this Bible verse saved him from a life of crime, Heaven will be diverse. Its taken her a lifetime, but world-travelling preacher, author and rescuer of trafficking victims, Christine Caine, is finally free from shame. Known for her ability to effectively communicate a message of hope, Christine has a heart for reaching the lost, strengthening leadership, and championing the cause of justice. I think we have to be careful here. Keep in scriptures, you might find better things to do than this. Tami I agree so saddening and yes, if i did not know the father these people would def turn me away from His love. After reading several, my discernment tells me this is nothing less than a cult. You have yet to back up with scripture how what you are doing is the appropriate way of handling false teachers, by Denny Burk on April 8, 2014 in Christianity, Theology/Bible. In both texts, Paul hands someone over to Satan. Thank you. Updated February 2023. Or is there a more biblically formed motive for the controversy? 6. I will NOT throw out that message.. Click here for instructions on how to enable JavaScript in your browser. While Caine and others have been proven by some, to someones level of satisfaction, to be wolves, ( I personally dont care, and the reasons wil be explained below ) I find the idea you have put God in a box to be the hardest partt to swallow. > Quotable Quote. If you know and read your bible that is quite obvious. Together with her husband, Nick, they founded Equip & Empower Ministries, A21, Propel Women, and Zoe Churches. Im very confident that if we apply those principles on an ongoing daily basis we can walk in victory. Why dont you pick up scripture and compare what she says to what the word of God says? In today's world real hope is hard to find. They make themselves rich by promising you the same. The Judge is standing at the door! James 5:9, But if you harbor bitter envy and selfish ambition in your hearts, do not boast about it or deny the truth. James 3:14, who are you to judge people, especially servants of God I believe that instead of writing false things, I pray God gives you the same discernment concerning your life. Love is the most powerful thing on earth, I dont know why you waste your time gossiping and making assumptions up about people But its not my place to worry about that. And in the same way, if our body is broken before we pray the sinner's prayer, it's still broken the minute after we pray it. Are lost today. Presumptuous, ridiculous and like a Christine Caine sermon unbiblical. It cost me everything to go forward with Jesus. I am so glad that Christ is my example of the Word in flesh not articles like this and authors of them. Those who refuse to respond to biblical correction are proving themselves to be devoid of the Spirit and taking orders from another master (Jude 1:19). WAKE UP PEOPLE, THERE IS ONLY ONE GOD, Mary, the disciples, the saints are examples for us to live by, HOWEVER, WE ARE NOT TO WORSHIP FALSE IDOLS OR PLACE ANYONE ABOVE HIM. God bless you. I love you too!! Its so sad I just cant un see all this bologna you all have a blessed life Ill pray for you In Jesus name, Karen, I completely agree with you. I have a question Have you read Mark Battersons book The Circle Maker? Anti-trafficking work, church planting, womens networks, speaking, writing is there any part of life that you dont want to tackle? The masses you speak about want nothing to do with that, they want to have their ears tickled by false teaching. perverted and sinful, being self-condemned (Titus 3:11) I just wrapped up finals in Folk Religion & Animism at a fully accredited Christian university. Priscilla also led her household in the making of disciples., Thyatira in the province of Lydia (located in what is now western Turkey) was famous for the red [variety of purple] dye. Christine Caine treats the bible in thissermonin a similar wayhow a clairvoyant will speak vague things into a persons life as though they are predicting a persons fate/destiny. These people you speak of are powerful speakers of Gods word.. Its to bad you didnt spend your time teaching the Love of God rather then sit here in judgment of people your time would be better spent. We name names not because we have issues personally with the person, but the teaching which we are absolutely supposed to judge against scripture. I am sure Satan is loving the lack of unity and twisting of scripture this article represents. I do NOT comment on hearsay. And so I will go to the king, which is against the law; and if I perish, I perish!. I have heard Ms. Caine speak at two different womens conferences (It is my understanding that the Bible is ok with women teaching women), and her call for us (as women) to not be distracted by todays divisive, politically chaotic climate and to remain focused on winning souls for Christ spoke to my heart. 2022 by Berean Research. I am willing to bet you do NOT personally know the people you talk about on this site. I feel like its almost life and death in this hour. What do we know really? As I started to serve in youth ministry in my mid-20s, I realized I was going to have to deal with the darkness in my own life before I could shed light on anybody else's. A couple years after that, I ended up in a local church in Sydney, where I really started to grow as a disciple of Jesus.It shows you that there is a spirit realm to all this, which gives me great faith for the gospel around the world. 14 Even so it is not the will of your Father which is in heaven, that one of these little ones should perish. Weve seen that, this last year, everything else has been shaken. Privacy I had to really get to a place where I felt Id made good headway in living a shame-free life, to be able to put the stuff that Ive learnt in writing. There is an honesty about Christine Caine that is rare in high-profile leaders. Manny, I dont want to jump too far into your conversation with someone else, but Id like to lovingly bring something to your attention. When I brought my first Bible home, my family acted like, Who do you think you are reading this? Not every purveyor of false teaching is a lackey of the Devil. We extend that respect to all First Nations peoples. To my family, when I chose to put Christ first, I was turning my back on everything: on tradition, on culture, on them. When she first heard the diagnosis, Caine says her mind began to race "down the worst track like a runaway train, and I had to pull it back before it hit a wall and caused irreparable destruction." Zip it!! It was this last experience, she says, which prompted the writing of her latest bookHow Did I Get Here? I went from feeling as a nobody (given I am a single woman who lives in a different state from my father and brotherswe know what the traditional church thinks of women like me) to understanding that Christ saved me for a reason. Because you dont like Christine? #Disappointment #Moving #Mean "God is able to take the mess of our past and turn it into a message. Isnt there a harlot in the lineage of Christ? 3. My birth certificate doesnt have a name on it. It amazes me all her supporters can only base their drive-by comments on dont judge, presupposing what God does while ignoring His written word, or the Love syndrome, we all need love, we must love, God is only about love, Jesus is only about love, youre not loving if youre judging. However, I see the followers of this site not as such.. We did a lot of hard work before we got married, which has meant a lot less friction, because all those big conversations about purpose, travelling, doing whatever Jesus called us to do, family life and how that would look were done before we got married. When nobody else would stay and clean up, I swept the floors. Blessings. 2:24-25). Talk about losing sight of what REALLY matters.. People are afraid of what they do not understand. There is one church and we should be united. I think thats where it got into me from a very young age, thinking, what is wrong with me?, there must be something wrong with me. Her own name was recorded as "Unnamed . We won't be quick to criticise or condemn. I understand you want her husband overseeing what she saysbut traveling without your husband for work is not, in it self, a sin. Christians are commanded not to worry, as we know our God is bigger than any situation, we are to lay at His feet ALL of our cares, He provides. Do I cruise into the second half of life? You can talk very big about what you WILL do, but what Im talking about is what you HAVE and HAVE NOT done. Hmmm, sadly, after reading all these comments, which were initiated by the original article It has affirmed even more my belief that we all just dont get it! As Ive said before, if this is leading people to Christ or causing teachers to repent, then AMEN. I cannot believe I just read this comment on a Christian site. So Ive got to do exactly what Im telling anyone else to do. For they that are such serve not our Lord Jesus Christ, but their own belly; and by good words and fair speeches deceive the hearts of the simple God uses all of us, however he sees fit. I hope your eyes will be opened to see the crass apostasy infecting church. GD is calling out His bride from dead Churchianity. So bnos na minha vida e de milhares!!! Read out White Paper on the Word of Faith Movement, Christine Caine, Complementarianism, Elizabeth Prata, Heresy, Hillsong Church, Joyce Meyer, New Age Movement, Occult, Sin, spirituality, Word of Faith. Additionally, Christine has close relationships with Beth Moore and Priscilla Shirer, frequently sharing the stage or partnering with both. A woman was brought up to be in the home, and we weren't encouraged to read the Bible. Like the Old Testament is a handbook for raising small children, and the prophets are a way of example for teenagers, the New Testament serves as a college level class on living. But I will stand by comments regarding Caine, Meyer and all those that are still playing on peoples emotions while passing off a diluted version of scripture, once again if Ive offended anyone it was not intentional. But theyre not the only ones suffering shame; even those with a charmed life are prone to being ashamed of who they are, she said. 287610) and as a company limited by guarantee (no. Whether youre listening to her speak or reading one of her many books, Caines hard-won wisdom flows freely. I know because the simple fact that you believe When you first start being abused you think that what is happening to you is shameful and wrong, but when it happens repeatedly over a long period of time and no-one intervenes, you begin to think theres something wrong with you. Jakes conferences, Joel Osteen conferences, Bethel conferences, preaching at Perry Nobles church, Robert Morris church and conferences, Rick Warrens church, and Steven Furticks church and conferences. Talk about losing sight of what REALLY matters. "Some of my most precious ministry moments happened in those waiting rooms and hospitals," says Caine. In my last post, we looked at six characteristics that help us to identify false teachers. I leave what doesnt line up with God to God to deal with. Christine Caine, Undaunted: Daring to do what God calls you to do. So youre assuming I never emailed none of the people over the years? If you know scripture you could in an instance see where Christine Caine is wrong. THE PANDEMIC HAS CAUSED PEOPLE TO DRIFT FROM CHURCHITS TIME FOR US ALL TO CHECK OUR MARKERS. But dont call him a missionary, Matt Redman: Reverence in worship has become my lifelong pursuit. Kenyon (18671948) is usually given credit as the originator of Word of Faith teaching. I want us all to make it to the finish line. Christine Caine shares how she found out that she was adopted.Get Today's Offer From Joyce: https://joycemeyer.org/store Follow Joyce: WEBSITE: https://joycemeyer.org FACEBOOK: https://www.facebook.com/JoyceMeyerMinistries/ INSTAGRAM: https://www.instagram.com/JoyceMeyer/ TWITTER: https://www.twitter.com/JoyceMeyer/ Joyce Meyer, one of the worlds leading practical Bible teachers and New York Times best-selling author, shares encouragement and advice to help us enjoy our daily lives. 34 And his lord was wroth, and delivered him to the tormentors, till he should pay all that was due unto him. We have examples in scripture where bona fide believers are the source of error in the church. Christine Caine. It hurts to look at. Alison Jones: Dear precious Christian. Instead of distributing loaves and fish ( Humans do logistics well ) He wants you to save his people, because there is no land and people are drowning all around you while you sit in your lifeboat arguing over who is qualified to shout over the gunwale that help is here. Has the author of this article suddenly become God and we are unaware of it? We read that stuff, but I dont know if we really believe it. 14And no wonder, for Satan himself masquerades as an angel of light. Wanting to be right? #Past #Trials #Tests "Often the very things that you think have disqualified you are the ones that qualify you to do what God has . Gods Word and his truth are more important than how you feel about it. There was this dark secret going on. This is strictly how a person who is not qualified, is handling scripture. All rights reserved. I have felt my fervor for studying and deepening my walk with the Lord be VERY attacked by your making a similar comment. God uses different people to reach the lost because every lost person is different. Caine says her treatment became a "series of tests, ultrasounds, more tests" but it was during this time that she was able to see her situation through a different perspective, she explains. And we won't play on people's fears. Perhaps this is where we are talking past each other. Neither should you. Why arent you obeying Matthew 18 and seeking ways to reach out to these people yourself? I have seen and experienced the damage of hearsay, twisted words, misunderstood contexts, and the like, and I also am an avid believer that the Lord will hold me accountable for every word I say (or type), including how those words impact the reputation, feelings, faith, and guidance of others. Wow. There was no big crisis of faith, she says, just a build-up of the pressures of life and the responsibilities that she carries. Now, arent you judging by referring to others here as Pharisees? You seem to love uprooting absolutely EVERYTHING someone has learneddo you WANT to leave them with nothing? Repent; or else I will come unto thee quickly, and will fight against them with the sword of my mouth (Revelation 2:14-16). I think this is a site for pharisees. Pray tell how? As we came closer to the time of Christ, mankind in its rebellious teenage years, we had the lessons of the prophets. If you have won souls to Christ this way, or have gotten any of the people you attack to repent, then AMEN. Please click here to learn how. Christine Caine: When you start being abused, you think what is happening to you is . My immediate family were great, it was just that they allowed people into our home, that they should have been able to trust, that were untrustworthy. The authors name is listed at the top if you want to be able to properly address your concerns. 3For the time will come when men will not tolerate sound doctrine, but with itching ears they will gather around themselves teachers to suit their own desires. Go take it to them personally. People who post here are haters and not lovers of Christ! Maybe you should stop thinking in the us v. them scenario. Paul didnt want Timothy merely to triumph over the false teachers. Inside the fastest growing religious movement on earth, Greg Boyd: The progressive preacher on spiritual gifts, racism and Covid prophecy, An incredible mission that is helping unemployed adults back to work, Craig Greenfield moved his family to a Cambodian slum. they are still teaching the gospel and people are coming to Christ. 40.2K followers. If all were trying to do is put red meat before the congregation or drive up blog stats, thats not really a good motive. Dinsdale Young thinks that Priscilla may have been a believer before her husband, and that she won him for the Lord by her chaste conversation, or that perhaps hers was a primacy of character and service, or a more conspicuous intellectual ability, or that she may have been of nobler birth and social quality than Aquila. Im pretty confident that both of these women were richly blessed. It is not for me to judge you but maybe you should learn to shut your mouth. You know the degree to which you're willing to embrace the pain of recovery is the degree to which your knee will heal. When I really got established in the Word at Hillsong Church, it was awesome, but it has cost me everything. Eventually people who are following God will see that. I was born for this time - and so were you. Surely not the Christ of scripture, for we come to the Father only through Him, without the Son theres no salvation, you cant earn it, work for it, it is an undeserved gift, we cant ever repay. Ugliness! She is an ordained pastor and functions in that capacity. The Lord had to show me, through his word, that by marrying Nick we would have a ten-fold impact. Christine shares how she struggled with what happened to her and how her faith helped her overcome the shame and worthlessness she felt for so many years. I had developed a lot of patterns of destructive behaviour and negative thought patterns.The big turnaround in my life was at Sydney University. I have been waiting for you to say, Hey, I have concerns about what youre learning about ___, may I suggest you go to ____? In all of your posts to this other person AND to me, you have recommended NO ONE. Thanks for sharing. In your workplace, on your street, in your community, in your home, to be an authentic, passionate follower of the Lord Jesus Christ in this era in the West is extremely costly. 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