The Church is a home, and that is because it begins with a Person, Jesus Christ, true God and true Man. I have very good reasons for my feelings towards your beloved order. Since becoming a sedevacantist, I have broken contact w/many of my family who consider themselves to be traditional catholics even as they stopped believing in confession when they were in college, attended mass whenever they feel like it, but always go to communion, are sterilized, use birth control, are divorced and remarried, are pro-abortion, are pro-homosexual marriage, dont believe anyone is going to hell, believe everyone is saved w/out being baptized or Catholic, are married to unbaptized persons, never go to mass, raise their children w/these values, never prayed the rosary with their children who are now 35 etc. Having said that, it is a bit disappointing having come to the knowledge that full disclosure on this site has given, to know that Fr. Visit https://sacredliturgyconference.org/ for information about the next conference and how to register. This is beyond disgusting and a lack of charity. it comes from the intimate sense of spiritual realities which they experience. Where to begin? The worst criticism of the SSPX sure comes from the Novus Ordo Traditionalists. Indeed, the extent and depth of the teaching of the Second Vatican Council call for a renewed commitment to deeper study in order to reveal clearly the Councils continuity with Tradition, especially in points of doctrine which, perhaps because they are NEW, have not yet been well understood by some sections of the Church.. But, respectfully, I cannot agree that the FSSP has abandoned Christ through their current status. By contrast, what has Michael done relative to his new understanding? FSSP Missions De maria. If he so desired, in this year of mercy, to also grant them jurisdiction, TMAHICH could do so. Louie February 22, 2023 Blog Post No Comments. Church. Orlando, FL Voris used Father Wolfe FSSP in his attacks. We are truly living in a period of disorientation. Im also reminded of Dr.Taylor Marshalls involvement of Fisher More College and am still in the dark as to many of the details. . Christendom College will see three of its alumni ordained as priests this summer. Priest Training Workshops For those who are fans of the old Far Side comic strip by Gary Larson, part of his brilliance was his ability to capture how humanity is prone to missing the obvious. I am really sorry that I ever recommended them to anyone ever- which, sadly, I did. The Morning of Recollection will be open to all men including non-parishioners and will include a conference by Fr. Then I would place bells and whistles around the comment! Fortunately, I have read my way to excellent sites such as this one, if only by the grace of Almighty God. Besides its probable connection to ChurchMilitant.coms zeal against the SSPX, the unraveling of Fisher More College (the presidents fiscal leadership aside) is a stark study just how quickly Church power will coalesce to suppress an institution whose express mission is Traditional Catholic Formation (unless of course the institution was grandfathered in and has swallowed every conciliar tenet proffered since grandfather died). Sacrificate sacrificium justitiae, et sperate in Domino, Telephone: (570) 842-4000Fax: (570) 319-9770info@fssp.com, Priestly Fraternity of St. Peter450 Venard RoadSouth Abington Township, PA 18411, SupportPrivacy PolicyMachine Readable Files, Adjutorium Program (Masses for Living and Deceased Members), Webinar Today: St. John Bosco Camp Application Launch. Thank you. Well, I suppose I am one of them, then though I would characterize myself as more than prefer since I exclusively attend the TLM (save for an occasional Melkite liturgy, I suppose), either through an Ecclesia Dei society or diocesan priest, depending on where I am. The Holy See, FSSP Apostolates FORT WAYNE. Yes Archbishop Lefebvre wouldnt be disobedient unless it was to protect the Faith. His pastor for some time (until very recently) was Fr. * Sunday Mass at St. Paul's College Chapel, Ponsonby. His last day at Mater Dei was 8/30/2015. Denver, CO Father John Marcus Berg, F.S.S.P. More folly from His Vortexcellency: UPDATED. Dear grandfather of. I think that for piety, for love of Our Lord, and for love of the Holy Father (no matter how bad he is), we ought to publicly resist his errors based on the previous Popes throughout history. This, for the love of God & the goal of conversion. That said, I do no wish to engage you there, but others might want to- with regard to this. My only point was the Church today is in a dire crisis and the antics of Mr. Voris are the least of our problems. Wolfe. The modernists are suborning the so-called traditionalists. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vX75xiW2Z54. However, there are a couple of ways to regain perspective and renew vigor. Its as if Michael is under some kind of self-imposed gag order that prevents him from speaking on the problems with the Council and the New Mass; issues he used to address with great passion just a few short years ago. LiveMass.Net This is the document that created the FSSP. Father John Marcus Berg, F.S.S.P. Please keep all those involved in this situation in your prayers.. We assume they are coming from a position of the Faithbut theyre not. This has had supplied jurisdiction written all over it from day one, and to current, and we didnt need to have the Pope tell us this, but it ought to help the royally confused like CMTV and co. that said, no Catholic at any time ought ever to turn their back on another Catholic.. There is no other way for mankind to have been saved and redeemed except through the sacrificial offering of God Himself, totally innocent and obedient, to God the Father. The FSSP does not have time to respond to every crackpot coming down the internet pike. Maple Hill, KS Clearly many of them have the Faith and are holy. Fr. From the Desk of Canon Olivier Meney, ICRSS Colorado Springs, CO The financial problems of the college were not of the Presidents making. If sedevacantist friends or family have done that to you, or anyone, its a shame. Brookville, IN I read this blog daily.I may post here about 3 times a week, if that, and I would hardly consider what I do hijacking. Holy Trinity Location: 219 N.W. Confraternity of St. Peter Be convinced that He always leaves His runaways with a key to get back into the house. Save my name, email, and website in this browser for the next time I comment. Gerard Saguto (US District Superior) and Fr. Saguto for a series of conferences over three days, beginning Thursday, August 11th through Saturday, August 13th. Things had got worse since 1970 and the SSPX Was trying to compromise its previous postion on the council with rome order to be accepted by rome. Its quite true that President King inherited a very bad financial situation. Many excellent leaders in the Church, good holy men and women, recognize the exact same problems, but they havent left. I know a fair number of Fraternity priests, and they are among the finest priests I have ever met. Fort Worth, TX ***That said, this includes those who wish to be Catholic. North American Headquarters, South Abington Twp, PA What I am not getting into is the subjective faith and morals of the Priests of the FSSP and the laymen who attend their parishes. Dear Adam 95, There is a growth in insight into the realities and words that are being passed on. I disagree with you, however, that the FSSP should be avoided. Below, Ill provide in italics what I consider the most noteworthy parts of Voris videos such as they have been released to date, with my commentary immediately to follow. Rev. Could you please provide a link or more information on the closing of Fisher More College and how it relates to Michael Voris? In allowing myself and others to comment even though louie most probably disagrees with certain things (speaking for myself) shows that louie has great charity and isnt controlled by anyone. Kansas City/Westwood, KS Sarasota, FL St. Catharines, ON I do not have a right to say anymore. Not even one? That Heresy being Modernism itself. Join Fr. http://www.catholicplanet.com/apparitions/false158.htm Seattle, WA It was sent in by a parishoner when the FSSP got the personal parish. 2022 TheCatholicSpirit.com. As one who was there for this sermon (and many more), and class, I firmly state that he has NEVER attacked the SSPX. What exactly is a Novus Ordo Traditionalist? Someone who favors a reform of the Reform N.O., or someone who attends a TLM as authorized under Summorum Pontificum? Kindly stop presuming everyone who reads this blog or watches CMTV has a developed awareness of the dismal state of affairs in the Church as you claim to have. This is the will of God, your sanctification (1 Thess 4:3). Wolfe to begin attacking the SSPX, and that posture only heightened following the election of Pope Francis. In a Nov. 15 statement, Archbishop Bernard Hebda said the recall of Father Gerard Saguto, FSSP, "was taken in response to an issue that had surfaced in trauma counseling undertaken voluntarily by Father Saguto and brought by him to the attention of his superiors. Fr. We laughed hard. The real truth of the matter is that some of them are not doing or saying what piokolby wants them to do or say. We are not just dealing with infighting we are dealing with Satanic attacks by false brethren and wolves in sheeps clothing. I literally admire your use of sarcasm & I must admit, its well executed & actually appreciated. Dear de Maria, thank you for the time in answering my question. King and Drumm seemed to want it both ways. Priestly Fraternity of St, Peter (FSSP) poses a whole slew of ecclesiological, doctrinal and moral problems. We are blessed to be able to host Fr. I do not understand the connection and would like to understand. Scranton, PA Richard M, The question of the FSSP really is a question of doctrine,principle and new mass. There can be room for disagreement but not when its Our Lord Himself speaking. I too have been heartbroken by M Voris recent rants against the SSPX and have diverted my financial support to Harvesting the Fruit. Listening to audio sancto raised much concern for me a long, long ago. I will not take it any further than that here, with respect to Louies request to engage in sedevacantist disussions at length not here, but in the forums. I have learned much from your links over the past several months and appreciate your insights. The reason I feel that way, my2cents, is because Ive held the position for decades, hence- bc of the timeframe-in my early years of mothering I met some of the original laity & priests who held the position (who BTW shall at this time remain nameless.) Los Angeles, CA It answers a lot of questions I had in my mind. The Holy See, FSSP Apostolates His first Mass in Seattle will be on Sunday, October 5th and it will be a sung Mass. Berg, Superior General of the FSSP, to be the new District Superior of North America, effective July 13, 2015. And whatever Kings responsibility (or lack thereof) for that, you can hardly blame Olson of the Mater Dei priests for that state of affairs. hi, Servant of Our Lady, First and foremost, however, one must be willing to take a good hard look at the conciliar texts and the new Mass and apply ones intellect as informed by faith. And then theres Archbishop Lefebvre, who was more than willing to work within diocesan and canonical frameworks when he erected the SSPX, and asked for nothing more than that when he met with Paul VI. There are some whose position gives them the duty to point out faults. I cant believe it! Quincy, IL I remember every word and it is my expectation that Father Wolfe will find someone else to host all the sermons he has been preaching but have not been posted publicly since the sad split with Audio Sancto. Voris has so applied his intellect. With only a vague sense of her origins and history, and an anemic experience with the institutional aspect of the Church, many Catholics indeed tend to view the Church as a sum of commands and rules, imposing a morality that they find outdated or even impossible. So, what exactly will change at the stroke of twelve? The Pope grants (to what he may consider the schismatic) SSPX jurisdiction to grant absolution. Even the Drumm narrative at the link admits that much just as it concedes that they really did make some bad hiring decisions. I dont remember reading anywhere that Sr. Lucy said that diabolical disorientation would be the sole purview of liberals or modernists. Vancouver, BC I know that you ask in sincerity, Ive read you for some time & admire you. The majority do beleive there were true popes since 1958. This is, however, a multi-edged sword. Pequannock, NJ The FSSP are bad actors. 8:00am Preparation for Mass*. Maple Hill, KS Although not everything on this site can be trusted, the site does a good job with this supposed visionary. Ottawa, ON Fraternity Publications Take a trip over to Novus Ordo Watch to learn about the actual truth of things, not watered down, but assuming those with a genuine sense of the faith will be given the grace to handle it. I am an FSSP parishioner who travels a lot. Im surprised to see terminology used here. I hope all you FSSP faithful and supporters remember this when you are putting the envelope in the basket on Sunday. If you are going to give official platforms to statements rejecting the validity of Vatican II and the Pauline Missal without any public correction or disavowal, you have to be prepared to take the ecclesiastical consequences, whether theyre just or not. I dont know what changed his mind regarding the SSPX, but whatever or whomever it is has him hooked good. FSSP Missions The archdioceses Office of Ministerial Standards brought the information related to Father Saguto to law enforcement, and law enforcement has advised us that they are not initiating a criminal investigation, the archbishop said. From one not typical traditionalist to another (Im a sedevacantist, you know that radioactive, flea-bitten & lice infested group rejected by all,) I agree with lots of what you say. Will the FSSP issue a public statement in support of the SSPX and debunk the schism myth? That said, no Catholic at any time ought ever to turn their back on another Catholic. INTROIT "Gaudeamus" Score Sung without organ accompaniment by men only Conductor: Jeff Ostrowski To access the rehearsal files, go HEREand scroll down to 31 May. Fr. Atlanta, GA I implore you to never cease telling your story. I am glad to be able to stay on course with what Louie provides here. There is a glee I read here when piokolby and rich and some others come out with yet another outrageous statement about somebody. Dear DeMaria and my2cents, Confraternity of Saint Peter. I do think it possible to simultaneously hold that Bishop Olsons action was in certain ways unjust to the staff and students at Fisher More while also being critical of the administrative leadership of President King. Nevertheless, his blog, writing style, and persona seemed to be totally different to me from that day forward. But the combox is just getting too much. I, too, had learned much from Fr. Faithful Catholics do not have time to be having this debate with the Synod just around the corner. Providence, RI Gerard Saguto, FSSP, and the liturgical artist, Mr. Paul Sirba. A cardinal such as Cardinal Burke should speak the truth no matter what the modernist destroyers want. You have inaccurately classified & also inaccurately defined the sedevacantist position. This is what michael voris used to say Youll note CMTV covered that school in an on-site special just as loyalties were pulling at its seams. I suppose they have a natural virtue and would follow every rule even if they were protestants. Saguto is an excellent priest but he needs to stop perpetuating this lie and he needs to order his priests to do the same. There is no doctrine, no moral apart from Him who declares Himself to the be the Truth. I dont follow Mr. Voris. IMHO that, along with Verrecchios exhilarating writing style make this site what is-a meeting place to ignite the thinking process. No one here is committing the Mortal sin of Calumny here against the FSSP or Father Wolfe FSSP. After ten years of pastoral service, he was appointed by Fr. Our Lord sees everything. Zachary Akers (FSSP Director of Development) on the Fraternity's new album, "Requiem". The Society operates from the standpoint of speaking Catholic truth in the face of every attack regardless of the source. Ad Orientem: Why is the Mass Celebrated Facing East? If you dont mind-consider a few thingsyou dont have to respond-this is not a challenge. (1) This is the price for full communion, There is no such thing as partial communion. IMHO what you point out is important. Within that undertaking will be the discovery of where Catholicsm actually lives on, whole & entire, undefiled, untainted & immutable. Hi, my2cents, Keep up the great work. Positively, perspective and vigor can also be reclaimed by personal initiative and vigilance to make sure we do not get into ruts with the things that are supposed to be most important, that we are mindful of the obvious in such matters (kind of ironic when you hear it said that way). If Catholics do not like these attacks on the SSPX your beef is with the FSSP and its superiors. John 10:11], http://remnantnewspaper.com/web/index.php/articles/item/1870-will-you-die-for-him-a-sermon-on-the-eve-of-persecution-in-america, (3) SSPX now that it is wanting to be in full communion w/heretics is pretty silent itself. At one time, I am certain that Michael Voris would likewise refuse to sign such a statement. Wolfe was not the pastor at Mater Dei, but rather the Parochial Vicar and Assistant Pastor; a man who Mr. Carroll clearly idolized. The Society and its faithful simply stayed Catholic such as it has always been and always will be in spite of the conciliar revolution. The suit states Father Bouchard's accuser submitted a handwritten note to the diocese on Sept. 26, 2018, alleging that Father Bouchard "asked him to undress and made inappropriate sexual . As such, he looked upon the SSPX and its purpose for existing with, if not with support, a degree of understanding that is now nonexistent. NEWS & ADVICE. john6, I know one FSSP priest ONE that has publicly said the SSPX is not in schism. Alarico, thank you for bringing this to my attention. Third Street - Evansville, IN 47708 Mass Time: 3rd Sun 9 am Phone number: (812) 422-5150 Priest: Fr Gene Vogler. I do believe that theres a thread of influence and someone as familiar with these personalities as Louie would do well to explore it. Agree. God bless you both and pray for me. Voris linked directly to the FSSP site in Scotland in his attacks on Catholics in the SSPX. And yes, most especially under the duress we all endure. by Fr. When Pope John Paul II had the Assisi meeting Archbishop Lefebvre pleaded with the good Cardinals like Siri and Oddi to make a public protest to defend the honor of the Church. Ad majorem Dei gloriam. One single Traditional Catholic College in the whole United States operating with the approval of the local ordinary was just too much to ask. A few years ago, there was a large national media initiative to reach out to lapsed Catholics called Catholics Come Home. DID I MISS THE PUBLIC STATEMENT FROM THE FSSP? The fact that he has since set up an FSSP parish doesnt really fully redress that injustice, to my mind. Quite honestly, few of us can giggle today, no? You do not have a right to hear anymore from me. Rapid City, SD The full details of what happened at Fisher Moore College need to be made public. Post Falls, ID In any case, the plagiarized text (as alleged in the link above) is taken from a sermon given by Fr. Voris and Co. no longer has an interest in urging their viewers to do that; Voris simply wants to dictate to the audience what serves him best. Mr. Peter McShurley ('14), Rev. for your information, Im no spring chicken myself. I still hadnt found out who Fr. Satan did it 3. Catholics are watching and waiting. Older Entries Grega's departure from the Priestly Fraternity of St. Peter could have been given. Omaha, NE Gerard Saguto, FSSP. When I noticed, however, that his more recent talks include the subjects of Sr. Faustina and divine mercy in a favorable light, I turned him off. To me, devotion to the false divine mercy devotion of Sr. Faustina is an excellent indicator of how modernist a priest is. It cannot be said in correct, exact, and precise terms that there is a schism. All of us have a duties as Catholics. For the person who knows that the Council is a grave danger to the faith, they have no problem advising against them allowing themselves (and their kids) to be formed in an FSSP parish since we have an obligation to engage those things that threaten to lead us away from the faith. +Wmson is therefore blind himself imagine St. John the Baptist (or Jesus) stating that the high priests, scribes and pharisees were good people . But they are all liars? Brookville, IN It helps me, anyway. Cardinal Raymond Burke, Bp. This is my weak attempt at trying to make things easier for new readers etc to understand the different positions. In fact, there seems to be an unspoken standard for comparison about what constitutes a home: home is supposed to be a place of security, stability, and safety, a place where one found love and learned about life, was educated and allowed to mature, so as to engage and contribute well to the larger world outside it, and remained always a place one can return to for a needed respite. As for Michael Voris, I dont watch or follow him in any way. Views and opinions expressed in the Missive are solely the writers and do not necessarily reflect those of the Priestly Fraternity of St. Peter. Terry Carroll, like his pastor, did too, and that personal vendetta against the Society (and unwillingness to go full bore after the dangers associated with the Council, the new Mass, and the actions of the pope) has since been adopted by Michael Voris as well. It was taking the faith seriously that led me to become sedevacantist and it is taking the faith seriously, that my family is going to hell (literally) which led me to break contact with them (as Jesus Christ directs us to do see Matt 18). http://theradicalcatholic.blogspot.com/2015/09/vortex-of-plagiarism.html. Minneapolis, MN The FSSP offers the Mass according to the form that was in use prior to the liturgical reforms of the Second Vatican Council in the 1960s. One of the greatest problems facing Catholics who are trying to understand the crisis is a lack of distinctions and a lack of proper definitions. San Diego, CA This meant telling them to avoid the New Mass altogether and then he was horrified by the fruits of ecumenism. This cannot become ho-hum, but we know there is always a danger of that, or getting stuck in a rut. Our Lady of Guadalupe Seminary Gerard Saguto FSSP has been named priest administrator. Copyright - Newspaper WordPress Theme by TagDiv. But they are for the most part Catholic. FSSP International Lexington, KY Montreal, QC Edmonton, AB On behalf of all of the members of the Priestly Fraternity of Saint Peter, the Superior General and his Council would like to express their great thanks to Fr. Little Rock, AR Father Wolfe FSSP is the Priest the sermon is linked at the end of this blog: Stay away. ***All Catholics are called to charity toward neighbor. He wont say aloud it now for reasons that well discuss shortly. Rather, a home is ultimately an interaction between personalities that are supposed to be loving each other spouses, parents, children, siblings, grandparents. This is a bit off topic, but are you aware of why Fr Flood is no longer in charge of the N American FSSP? This rendition of an Internet TV Network has NOTHING to do with the Catholic Faith. The Fraternity is known for celebrating the Mass and sacraments in Latin in what is known as the Extraordinary Form of the Roman Rite, following the liturgical books that were in place in 1962, prior to the liturgical reforms of the Second Vatican Council. Don't forget to buy yourself a copy here! Good people do not go along w/heresy. Domus Generalis FSSP - Chemin du Schoenberg 8 - CH-1700 Fribourg (Suisse) . Iv read and listened to lots of different people speak against this devotion but it never changed my mind. Los Angeles, CA Omaha, NE Voris goes into yet another rant about the SSPX being in schism that is so lacking in plausibility that even Karl Keating took to his own blog to criticize it! since the doctrinal declaration of april 15th 2012 to rome made public easter 2013 priests and bishop wiiiamson saw that the society was changing its direction that archbishop lefebre had founded. 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